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Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 11:13 am |
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If you had an innocent heart, you wouldnt even think of your wife as a sexual tool.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 11:36 pm |
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Lilly wrote: If you had an innocent heart, you wouldnt even think of your wife as a sexual tool.
Hi Lilly,
I assume you may have been meaning me when saying "you".
My post in this thread started off saying something about how different people can understand the same word to mean different things. When you used the word "tool", I'm not really sure what specificly you meant.
I feel bad about writing so much in this thread - actually I realized (when it was too late to remove my post) I should have started a new one.
Lilly, I confess I have not read many of your other posts (and I also doubt if I took the time to read other posts by HopelesslyDesperate -- and I'm especially sorry about that now) . I don't know if you have read many of my other posts - maybe they might help you to see a little more clearly why I wrote what I did.
I have a lot I want to say about the subject that comes to my mind when I hear the word "tool" used as perhaps you were meaning. I don't think this thread is the best venue, so my plan is to open another (that is if I am not asked to go to some seminary type of board, after this post).
I'm thinking the new thread's content may be something starting along lines which may come to your mind if you click on the first link below and then compare what you have read with any of the other Bible translation links -- where the same passage is rendered via the use of various different words (/meanings?) :
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1 Corinthians 7:1-9 (The Message)
Which of these "translations?" is more accurate? - and what does the answer to that accuracy question say about how I should interpret scripture? ...
For instance:
-- is the Bible like an "Owner's manual"? , can it's wording be improved to fit different times and places?
--Does God give his people more insight into His true intent as time progresses, and if so, does that have anything to do with whether His words (in the Bible) are cast in stone?
1 Corinthians 7:1-9 (King James Version)
(note: I was originally influenced - back when I was age 8 - by the wording of the King James Version .... now however, I think I am being told the Bible means (though I'm not yet certain if I'm completely convinced) something more along the lines of what we read in The Message "recapture" (commentary?).
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1 Corinthians 7:1-9 (Young's Literal Translation)
1 Corinthians 7:1-9 (English Standard Version)
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-Dennis
Btw: Please pray for me - that God will help me understand appropriately about Himself and His word...
It may take me some time to get the new thread started, because this whole subject is one that has caused me great mental and emotional anguish... I want to believe the Bible gives better advice about marriage than my mind is convinced it really does ... I seek help in this regard -- because I think one of the reasons I have not been the husband my wife deserves, is likely because I just don't really and truly understand the Spirit of the Bible -- so I have used what I thought was the Letter.)
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 10:41 am |
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Ok, i was originally referrring to the person who started the thread, sorry if that wasnt clear.
By tool i was meaning as a method to achieve a certain outcome.
The marriage bed is sacred, a great gift God designed, cheapening it by comming to that place with a hard heart is sad.
Sex within the confines of marriage is a precious thing, something to be enjoyed rather than used.
Its helpfull at times to look at issues we have as results of programming as we have grown. The environment we were raised in , the world we live in etc, sets us up for the patterns we have in our lives...like a pc program.
As adults, we are free to change them or add to them, in whatever ways we choose, and an informed choice is a good choice.
Realising these influences, enables us to change them.
Denis, please PM me if you would like to pray together, we can meet by the spirit in the throne room of heaven.
I feel 'praying for' is disempowering. hope you dont find that offensive.
On the issue of translation, its aim is to provide a differing perspective...in the attempt to allow a greater understanding of the Word... a richer one so to speak.
God is a wise God, and sees the begining and the end of all things...therefor His word is appropriate for any age in the history of the earth and holds the same relevence now, as it did then.
Personally, i believe in the power of the holy spirit, he is our councellor amongst many other things. The spirit of God often reveales meanings to readers of the bible, and conviction of varous things. To gain a greater richness from the Word of God, its imperative to be open to Holy Spirit, as revelation is a personal thing, i believe all should seek their own revelation from Gods word. Its as simple as just asking Him for revelation/understanding/wisdom- as He never leaves us nor forsakes us, and gives good gifts to his children. Jesus tells us to come bodly to Him and to caste our cares upon Him, its an invitation, all we need to do is accept it.
On the issue of the message, i am a huge fan....i too have a strong attraction to the new king james, but the message has a wonderfull gift of using modern language to adequatly portray Gods message to mankind.
The meaning doesnt change, just the delivery and ability to grasp that meaning, which is so important.
But above all, and even with the most difficult of translations, Holy Spirit is able to reveal the meaning of the Bible to all people, believers and unbelievers alike. He is a great resource, teacher, councellor and friend, who opens many doors on the christian walk.
Last edited on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 10:44 am by Lilly
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