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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 09:19 am |
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I just cannot stop masturbating, and I've been to camps, and all sorts of other things when I was younger. Some people used to tell me when I was younger that it's all right to relieve yourself, and it actually has health benefits to it. That doing it is natural, and totally fine, and has no adverse side-effects. I've read scripture and stuff, but it doesn't make sense. Is God punishing me? Why would God make so many things pleasurable, but wrong? Is God ironic?
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 12:15 pm |
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Hey Sprinkz
Why would God make things pleasurable but wrong?
Like anything in this world, any good thing can be turned and used for the wrong thing or too much and selfishly.
Take money....There is nothing at all sinful about being wealthy but if that wealth is used carelessly or irresponsibly and with a greedy heart then that is turning something good on its head. That wealth could be used for so many good things.
If then we take our sex drives and let all sorts of thoughts, images, feelings and emotions drive it, then we are effectively damaging it. It controls us. Not a good position to be in.
Back to the wealthy man, if he is greedy....his wealth is controlling him...never satisfied always wanting more, more ,more. there is no blessing in that...Ecclesiastes talks about this.
The trouble is our sex drives are incredibly powerful and are designed that way. If it was not powerful then we would not have the desire to find a partner and join with them. But much deeper than that, It has been designed as an integral part of who we are, we will have longings and desires, some of which can only be filled by God.
We try and satisfy our selves, and get into patterns that become ingrained into our daily life, Once this starts it is hard to stop.....every body here can testify to that.
The main questions to ask yourself are:
Why am I doing this?
How am I feeling when I go to do this?. stressed, depressed, full of lust, bored etc?
Identify patterns?
What are my triggers?
then ask God to help you with each of those things and find someone to talk to.
Do not let guilt kill you...you are under grace.
I am still working through this, and am currently single. Its tough but nothing really worth having is worth having without real effort.
Holdsworth
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 01:37 pm |
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But I am happy with what I am doing...it's not hurting me...I just don't get why everyone lambasts it, and says it is evil. It doesn't cause any problems with my daily life, no one hates me because of it, and plenty of people I know accept it as a natural thing that human beings do. I just don't understand what makes it wrong...that's all. I just need a good reason to feel that this is completely wrong. I do not let this desire control me at all, I do it when I feel it is right, and when I feel I want it. I still read, study, bike-ride, train, etc. I do not let it inhibit anything I do in life...so what am I doing wrong? Am I looking at this in the wrong way? I am unsure, please, please help me.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 02:01 pm |
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the way I look at it is this:
If I was married and 'dealing with myself' rather than saving myself for my intercourse with my wife then this is not so good. Also I f i was fantasising about other women, this too is wrong.
But heck, ultimately only you know. Its between you, your conscience and the big man. You will know if its starting to rule you or not or a habit.
I certainly think that it does get blown out of proportion a lot of the time. Ultimately its where your heart and mind is at.
If I said to you "don't do it man", I would be a hypocrite.
This a big debate that will not be fully agreed on.
Holdsworth
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 02:07 pm |
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Well, where does the bible REALLY stand on this? It all seems very ambiguous to me, and I really can't make up my mind. I don't want to go to hell for something I just cannot understand with my little mind.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 04:19 pm |
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Hi SPrinkZ,
This subject has been recently, vigorously, and sufficiently exhaustively debated on these forums, most of which you can find in the Masturbation forum. The founder of this site has made his understanding clear in his article on the BG homepage. If you wish to see other views, though I cannot necessarily endorse them as being scripturally sound, you can search by member for mark37's posts. This reading will give you sufficient fodder for prayerful consideration, so need not be continued in this thread.
Be assured that, if we have placed our trust in Jesus Christ for forgiveness from sin, that there is no specific sin that will keep us from heaven,. On the otherhand, if we have not trusted Christ alone for our salvation, refraining from any specific sin will not keep us out of hell.
There are times we can be aided by human wisdom, but your best bet is to seek God's will for your life by studying His word, prayer and being sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Praying for you...
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 04:48 pm |
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How do I know it's God's will, and not my own will subliminated beneath my own self-loathing?
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 05:41 pm |
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Hi SPrinkZ,
That is not always easy when the Bible is not overt in a "thou shalt not..." I think that Holdsworth made good points. My thought is, when in doubt, don't.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2007 01:02 am |
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One way to look at it is that it's like fornicating with yourself. Self-sex. Using (abusing) the power of procreation outside of marriage.
But, you're right, the Bible is ambiguous on the subject.
However, if you have enough concern to post on a site like this, then you might consider that the Holy Spirit is prompting you that it's not right. Ultimately, you can know for yourself by honest and sincere prayer to God. He is the ultimate authority, and is willing to let you know in your heart and mind what the truth is about this question you have.
--- Gaylon V.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 06:13 pm |
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Can you prove what you are saying? I just can't feel what you are talking about. Do you have any evidence?
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 06:53 pm |
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Hi SPrinkZ,
If you are truly here seeking answers, then I presume that you have read Mike's article about M on the BG homepage. If the Scripture references he mentioned in the article are not clarifying for you, nothing any of us say here will do a better job. If persuasion is all you seek, we can be of no further help. If support in abstanence has become your true desire, then I hope you will receive encouragement here.
It is, however, time to stop beating the dead horse of M. If you are genuinely looking for recovery support, you may need to contact Barb or Mike, because I will be asking them how it is that you are still able to post while banned. Noone is trying to be mean, but the manner in which you first conducted your posts on this site suggested that your intentions might be antagonistic rather than genuinely seeking information and recovery. Please forgive if we have mis-judged your intentions.
TruthSeeker
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