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Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2007 12:02 am |
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I don't understand myself but am beginning to trust God does understand me and that's what counts. I haven't thought much about this subject but I wonder whether any human being can honestly say that they understand themselves. Perhaps too much self-reflection is a bad thing. We should rather look away from ourselves and ask God to reveal Himself and an understanding of Him, through our dealings with other people.
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clean2day
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 12:50 pm |
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I use to think I undersood myself, but that was before/when I thought I was a Christren. One that only had the hope that when I was useing my P* that He understood that that was only because I was human. {After all doesn't all men like to enjoy the beauty that He created when He created woman?} Being "human" I was one of the real sickies.
Now that I can enjoy His light, no I don't understand myself. But then you said it best, We should rather look away from ourselves and ask God to reveal Himself and an understanding of Him, through our dealings with other people. To have God revieled through us is indeed one of the truest blessings God could aford us. Just to be able to be a little more like Jesus, in our daily lives makes me feel more alive than I ever did while I was useing.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 12:01 am |
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Clean2Day, thanks for your gentle response to my first post on this subject. I was half-expecting a negative response to it. Lately, Jesus's character dazzles me. It is much more of a focus for me to understand more about Jesus - through His life and teaching as we read about it in the four Gospels (Matt, Mark, Luke and John) or through the lives of the saints (Acts to the present) - and through daily trying to walk in His light. When we open our hearts up to Jesus and ask Him to lead us through the day, we can expect wonderful things to happen. These happenings may look small at a first glance but God looks at the fine detail of our lives and blesses everything. As Jesus said, He knows all the hairs on our head.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 06:52 am |
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guitarest, something that I have leaarned, even though I have been told it is wrong, is when I read the Bible I don't read it like that is something that happened back then to David or Adam or Paul but this is Jesus talking to me.
For ins.: When Jesus was on the cross and he spoke to John and Mary. "John behold your mother. Woman behold your son" when I read this he is speaking my name.
I read it like when I come to the cross if mary is both Jesus' and my mother then His father is my father. The adoption by the head of the Trinity. Jesus bought me from my sin, but He doesn't want a slave. So He has taken me to His father and ask, "Father I don't want a slave I want a brother/sister."
That is how I read it means more to me than something that happened way back then sometime. The Bible then becomes, not only the word of God, but My Story and my walk with Him.
His peace be upon you
C2d
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When you need to talk, Jesus will listen.
And if you need to cry, Jesus will hold you close.
Rev E. O. Hilt 1908 - 1988
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 11:51 pm |
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Thanks Clean2Day. The peace of God be with you, also. That's a wonderful insight. That passage you quote - I cried a lot of the way through the passion narrative in John. I am learning not to let my feelings control me but at times when emotions come to the fore, it's very hard to keep a clear head. God showed me this week that I must not let feelings get the better of me. For example, I have found worship music has been very good for focusing my worship but I have perhaps become too reliant on it. Having said that on feelings, I am feeling oppressed and very down but God has said there is now no condemation for those who are are in Christ Jesus so my feelings are not reliable. Praise God for His goodness, because He is God. Blessings
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clean2day
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 09:04 am |
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Maybe I am reading to much into what you are saying. But don't try to hide your feelings, especilly if they are of Jesus.
Just last Sunday being convicted by the HS you might have thought I had really hurt myself. It's OK to show feelings, God has given us those.
I am talking of myself, and what I have found from others, but when we try to hide our feelings that is when I tend to start to slip. I am not sure just "how to handle feelings", so I run and then it is in the wrong direction.
You are right when we follow our feelings we are not dealing with facts. Facts are important and must be delt with, honestly and openly. But only ore feelings can lead us to our Saviour Jesus.
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When you need a friend, Jesus will be there.
When you need to talk, Jesus will listen.
And if you need to cry, Jesus will hold you close.
Rev E. O. Hilt 1908 - 1988
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 04:27 pm |
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I also agree that it is important to not invalidate our feelings. They are what they are and our feelings make us human. Feeling our own feelings is the only way we'd be able to empathize or relate to another person's feelings. It is empathy that helps us become better human beings. If you look at Christ's life, I think he was an excellent empathizer. He knew our human condition and therefore was not quick to judge nor was he aloof about what we were capable of.
Your feelings - good or bad - will always pass. You can slowly and gradually change the nature of your feelings by changing the orientation of your thoughts. What we think and dwell upon has an inevitable correlation to our feelings. That is why prayer and meditation and scripture study are so crucial - they help us feel in a more positive way about ourselves and life. But don't ever deny a sad, sorrowful, or hurt feeling - they are a part of our humanity. Just know we don't have to medicate those feelings through acting out. We can learn to live and accept that feeling and accept life on life's terms.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 10:48 pm |
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Growingfaith. Thanks for your kind thoughts. Yes, we must be moved by our Saviour's sufferings. Who cannot be affected who loves Him? Perhaps I have not entirely made it clear what I mean. I didn't allude to them but I had in mind passages in scripture which speak of bodily afflictions and how those who suffer them are able to rise up and offer praise to God, in spite of feeling battered, bruised, etc. I think of St Paul in prison, singing to God and also about St Paul's exhortation to us to "Rejoice in the Lord, always..." I agree we shouldn't bottle feelings up because that can be damaging but we should try and control them so they don't run riot.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 06:14 am |
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I had in mind passages in scripture which speak of bodily afflictions and how those who suffer them are able to rise up and offer praise to God, in spite of feeling battered, bruised, etc. I think of St Paul in prison, singing to God and also about St Paul's exhortation to us to "Rejoice in the Lord, always..."
To this I say Yes, and again Yes!
A story from my life, and I believe it was Spirit not me.
I had been in the hospital in October because I had been taken "water pills' and had not been given potasum to with them I was "runnung out of Potasum, which is the electricy that runs the body. Not knowing what was wrong I felt as if I was dieing, which I was. So my body was weak.
That January I came down with what my wife and I thought was the flu. I called in work every night sick. Going at both ends, had called the doctor and gotten drugs to take care of the flu.
The third time my wife called in asking for somethinghe told us to go to the ER, this was something more. Back to the hospital.
Well test came that I had Campalabactor, google it. Health Dept got involved as in the area only me and a 6 year old got it. Both of us survived, but they did tell me that if I had not gone in when I did I would not have.
It was like a tape going off in my head, "In all things Praise the Lord", I could do nothing else. I only feel strange looking back but it was what I had to do, and was natural when it was happening.
One pastor camealmost every other day, I did not goto his church, and we talked. I told him what was going through my head and he told me that I was going to be a witness.
My intestines "went into shock" and nothing was going through. So the only way out was coming up. My wife said it reminded her of the girl in "The Exorsist" and the split pea soup.
For almost 10 days I was like that. They put an NG tube to try to drain it but it came out the first night. Two shifts at the hospital tried to get another one in but it would not go. While they were doing it I was praising God, and I hurd someone in the room saying that "if they were doing that to me I'd be cussing like a sailor". I wanted to ask what good that would do but didn't have the stringth to do it. Weak and only able to speak in a whisper.
I had several doctors come in seeing me. The surgeron told us that he was going to have to go in and see what the blockage was. But first he wanted some exrays done. I remember asking the nurse if I could take my pan with me and when she said I could I told her it was "my security blanket". We both laughed on this one.
Going down, and you know how fast those guys push the beds, I saw Jesus. I was like he was standing in the "doorway" of the Holy of Holies". The most beautiful sight I ever saw. But I only had a secount and then we were passed it. I only had time to ask Him to pray for me.
When we got into the exray room and I was given that drink. My wife was there, she had a cross on her collor and I played with it. Told her not to worry that everything would be alright. She looked at me and agreed but I could tell she did not believe, or understand me. One of those "I'll agree with anything you say" deals. The exrays showed nothing, nothing was going through. Back up in the room thr doctor said he was going to have to operate but first he wanted to talk to some of his buddies. It through my wife and family into paceing. They were waiting for him to come back up and tell them when.
Only a couple of hours after I saw Jesus, and back in the room. Now everyone was busy pacing the floor talking and not paying any attention to me, remember me I'm the one going through all this. Still praising Jesus even when I am holding that bed pan so close, I tryed to get their attention. Nothing! Finnaly my wife came over and asked what I wanted.
I told her, "I think I amde a mess." She thinking I had wet my bed she pulls the blanket back. The smell was bad enough but then she ask the stupidest question, "What do yo want to do?"
"I want to go to the bathroom!", I tryed to shout wisperingly. It took two nurses to help me but I did make it.
After that I was getting better and so praiseing Jesus is one of the most important things we can do. He has promished that He never leaves us. So especilly when it wouldn't make since, like Paul and Silus in chaines praise Him. That is when the mericals happen. Sing His Praise when we are down and out. Raise your hands in joy and thanksgiving when you want to just quite. Make that noise and shout His praise when you are down and out, from the roof top. For we have a God that loves us, will fight for us, and as the creator of all things nothing can stand against Him.
Since I found Jesus back in '03 the devil has tryed to get me back. Both me and my wife have had our fights, temptations and stumbles but He has always picked us up. Only a God like Him will I serve.
Sorry for the long post but I hope you understand that feelings, your emotions are for him. It is OK to cry. Jesus wept. So lay it on His shoulders. He is strong when we admit our weakness and hopelessness.
May His light shine on you both day and night.
C2d
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"When you need a victory, Jesus gives it.
When you need a friend, Jesus will be there.
When you need to talk, Jesus will listen.
And if you need to cry, Jesus will hold you close.
Rev E. O. Hilt 1908 - 1988
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 11:34 pm |
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Thanks, Clean2Day for your testimony concerning the terrible Campalabactor bug. You're a walking testimony of God's grace and compassion. I am curious now you've shared that you saw Jesus. This must be a rare vision. Did He have the golden belt and linen garment described by Daniel (book of Daniel Ch.10 verse 4-9) and also by John of Patmos (Revelation, Ch.1, verse 13-18)? Perhaps you ought not to tell us. Be guided by the Holy Spirit.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 06:16 am |
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Guitarist63
I don't remember a golden belt nor the face.
It was like a priest with a hood with a pure white robe. The hood was up and I did not see his face yet it was clear. He was standing in the doorway, like he was waiting for something or someone. When I asked I could tell he smilled but still did not see the face. I could see the room in back of Him was like lite with a search light shining on polished gold. Almost blinding yet like it drew you to it. Like "if only I can get there then I will be able to really see.
The doorway was like covered with a beautiful vail that was pulled back to show the opening. But outside of the doorway was the wall of the hallway. Like maybe someone had cut a hole to revieal the room on the other side.
Something that is hard to desribe but still burnt into the memory of just what beauty really looks like. I hope this somewhat answers your question.
C2d
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"When you need a victory, Jesus gives it.
When you need a friend, Jesus will be there.
When you need to talk, Jesus will listen.
And if you need to cry, Jesus will hold you close.
Rev E. O. Hilt 1908 - 1988
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